Under President Barack Obama, billions of dollars of taxpayer money has bee wasted on one failed green energy project after another. Bill Gates, Co-founder of Microsoft is concerned that under Trump’s administration, spending on green energy will be drastically reduced.

On one end of the phone, there was Bill Gates, the Microsoft co-founder, who has pledged a good chunk of his fortune to ending climate change. On the other end of the line, there was President-elect Donald Trump, who has described climate change as a hoax and surrounded himself with fellow deniers.

Somehow these two men managed to speak recently with at least a modicum of productivity, according to Gates. The call happened two weeks ago for about eight minutes, letting Gates present a small part of his philanthropic and investment agenda.

“The key point I was pushing there was the opportunity for innovation in not only energy but also medicine and education and encouraging the idea that that’s a great deal and a great thing for American leadership,” Gates said.

Asked if the call, and Trump’s recent appointments, made him optimistic, Gates said, “Well, we’ll see. Innovations could be bipartisan. We should all do our best.”

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